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Libya and Binders Full of Women: Missouri Patch Panelists Weigh In On 2nd Presidential Debate

We asked our Red Arch and Blue Arch insiders about who won the Presidential debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney and to identify highlights to attract base support and swing voters.

After the majority of both sides agreed that Mitt Romney won the first Presidential debate with Barack Obama, a flash poll of Patch's political insiders in both parties in Missouri returned to their partisan corners following Tuesday's Town Hall-style gathering in Long Island.

Patch conducted a flash poll starting late Tuesday night as part of the Red Arch/Blue Arch series of surveys taking the pulse of political thought leaders heading up to the November election. Responses came from 14 Republicans and 16 Democrats.

Of Republicans, 9 felt Mitt Romney won by a slim margin, 1 said it was by a wide margin, 3 were neutral and 1 participant had no opinion.

Barack Obama won by a wide margin according to 10 respondents, 5 felt it was a slim margin and 1 response was neutral.

We asked our panel to identify moments that would resonate with their base as well as with swing voters in Missouri. Here's what they said:

What moment stood out to Conservatives In Missouri?

"Benghazi rose garden lie"

"Mr. Romney's long list of administration economic failures during the last 3 1/2 years."

"Obama was asked a question on Fast and Furious and gives an answer on Education"

"Romney's strong stance on Libya"

"The lying of Obama re the Bengazi embassy attack"

 

What moment will stand out in the mind of liberals and progressives in Missouri?

"Lybia smackdown"

"My retirement isn't as big as yours"

"Romney referring to his 'binder of women"

"equal pay"

"When the President said Romney's claim that he used the death of our ambassador for political gain was offensive."

What moment Republicans felt will stand out in the mind of swing voters in Missouri?

"Obama's failure to put forward any plan to create jobs and lower energy prices"

"Romney's explanation of his tax plan. He did a great job of simplifying it and relating."

"The 'binders of women' comment"

"When the President called Mitt Romney 'offensive.'"

The Obama flash of anger about the suggestion by Mr. Romney that anyone in the administration lied about Libya.

 

What moment Democrats felt will stand out in the mind of swing voters in Missouri?

"Closing 47% smackdown on Romney."

"My retirement isn't as big as yours"

"Romney being fact checked by the moderator."

"That Romney won't give facts as to how he will do what he proposes"

"Mr. Romney treated the moderator like hired help"

 

The Red Arch/Blue Arch Survey 

Patch political surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population, but rather an effort to listen to a swath of influential local Republican and Democratic activists, party leaders and elected officials in Missouri. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in the surveys, although not all responded to this week's questions. Interviews for this poll were conducted October 16-17. 

Patch will be conducting Red Arch and Blue Arch surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of conservatives, liberals and moderates on the ground in Missouri.

If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in a bi-weekly survey that lasts just a few minutes, please email Gregg.Palermo@patch.com.

 

The Red Arch Roster:

Ruth Springer (former Olivette Mayor), Frederic Steinbach (former Chesterfield Mayor), Randy Jotte (Candidate for Congress), Katy Forand (Gravois Township Committeewoman) Scott Rupp (State Senator/Secretary of State Candidate), Rick Stokes (Wentzville Alderman/State Rep. Candidate), Charlie Hinderliter (State Legislative campaign manager), Mark Parkinson (State Rep.), Chrissy Sommer (State Rep.), Jon Bennett (St. Charles Township Committeeman), Eugene Dokes (Chairman of St. Charles County Republican Central Committee), Chuck Gross (former State Senator), Cheryl Bates (St. Charles Young Republicans President), Penny Henke (St. Charles County Republican Central Committeewoman), Joe Cronin (St. Charles County Council), Terry Hollander (St. Charles County Council), Mike Nunnery (Republican voter), Jim Pepper (O'Fallon City Council), David Blanke (Lewis & Clark Republican Township Committeeman), Robyn Hamlin (Candidate for Congress), Don Bickowski (Jefferson County Council member), Linda Van De Riet (Jefferson County Republican Central Committee member), Renee Reuter (Jefferson County Council Member), D.J. Cully (Jefferson County Council candidate), Roy W. Sims (High Ridge Township Republican committeeman candidate), Celeste Witzel (GOP Committeewoman for the Oakville Township), Alan Leaderbrand (GOP Committeeman for the Lemay Township), Kourtney Lamb (President of the Brentwood Young Republicans), Dennis Broadbooks , (Wild Horse Township), Eileen Tyrrell (Meramec Township Member), Judy Hon (Chesterfield Township Committeewoman), Anne Gassel (Wild Horse Township Committeewoman), Chris Howard (Lafayette Township Committeeman/Convention Delegate), Kevin Rejent (Election Attorney), Richard C. Rowe (Republican voter), Rekha Sharma (State Rep. Candidate), Darin Morley (Reboot Congress blogger), Mark Zinn (GOP Consultant), Cynthia Davis (candidate for Lt. Governor), Sue Allen (State Rep.), Claire Chosid (Republican voter), John Diehl (State Rep.), Lee Presser (blogger/tv host), Gabe Jones (Attorney General candidate Ed Martin's Communications Director), Carl Bearden (Former State Rep/Exec. Dir. United for Missouri), Michael Morton (Regional Political Director/Ann Wagner campaign), Christopher Brooks (Candidate For County Central Committee), Marsha Haefner (State Rep.), Cloria Brown (State Rep.), Philip Scherry (Rock Hill Alderman), Derek Michael Spencer (Regional Political Director/Brad Lager For Lt. Gov.), Brian Spencer (State Rep. candidate), Catherine Dreher (Candidate for Committeewoman candidate), Annette Read (Candidate, Missouri River Township GOP Committeewoman), Chris Gard (State Rep. candidate), Anthony Pousosa (St. Louis County Council candidate), Kit Crancer (Chief of Staff, State Senator Jane Cunningham), Cole McNary (Candidate for State Treasurer), Michael Burr (Creve Coeur Township Committee Candidate), Maria Burr (Creve Coeur Township Committee Candidate), Bill Stouffer (Candidate for Secretary of State), Tyler Holyfield (State Rep. Candidate), David Wissler (Gravois Township Committee candidate), Pat Walker (Maryland Heights Township Committee candidate), Maggie Walker (Maryland Heights Township Committee candidate), Scott Pinkham (Boone Township Committee candidate), Teresa Douglas (Lemay Township committee candidate), Larry McGowen (Wildwood City Council), Marc Perez (former State Rep. candidate), Arthur Merdinian (Mayor of Olivette), Walt Young (Former Ballwin Mayor), Bryan Koen (Florissant Township Committeeman), Mark Harder  (Lafayette Township Committeeman, Ballwin Alderman, Pres. Lafayette Twp Republicans.)

 

The Blue Arch Roster: Jake Zimmerman (St. Louis County Assessor), Bert Boxerman (Creve Coeur Township Committeeman), Tracy McCreery (State Representative), Jeanne Antoine (Olivette City Council), Missy Waldman (Olivette City Council), Richard Callow (PR Strategist), John Callahan (Committeeman for St. Charles County Township), Julie Biermann (Committeewoman for St. Charles County Township), Charissa Mayes (Committeewoman for St. Charles County Township), Jerry Daugherty (St. Charles County Councilman), Keith English (Florissant City Councilman/State Rep. candidate), Mary Elizabeth Dorsey (Florissant Township Committeewoman), Chuck Banks (Former Jefferson County Executive), Jo Ann Karll (DNC Convention delegate), Mary Broida (Fenton Committeewoman), Bob Usher (Voter), Tammy Vent (Rock Township Committeewoman), LaDonna Appelbaum (Convention Delegate), Timothy Green (State Senator), Gina Mitten (Richmond Heights Councilmember/State Rep. Candidate), Jill Schupp (State Representative), Jim Descher (Voter), Ken Curtis (West County Democrats Co-Chair), Steve Biggs (Meramec Township Committeeman), John Niemeyer (Meramec Township), Jim Frain  (Voter), Julie Dougherty (Voter), Linda Robson (Voter), Jim McHugh (Aide to former St. Louis County Executive), Molly McHugh (St. Louis County Planning Commission), Bob Burns (Affton School Board), Mark Powell (Former Arnold Mayor), John Messmer (Former DNC alternative delegate), Karl Frank, Jr. (Former Mehlville School Board Member/Activist), Donna Seidel (activist), Tom Diehl (Former School Board Member/Activist), Jim Barrett (Activist), Harvey Ferdman (Maryland Heights Township 2nd VP), Rod Jennings (University City School Board Member), Jane Dueker (Former Assistant AG/Chief of Staff To Governor Bob Holden), Gina Walsh (State Senate Candidate), Morton Todd (St. Charles County Democratic Committee Chairman), Mary "Kate" Laughlin (Voter), Rod Hoffman (State Rep. Candidate), Beverly Cowling (Voter), Bill Stinson (State Rep.), Russ Craven (St. Charles County Democratic Central Committee), Theresa Borchert (Voter), Jim Karll (Voter), Jeff Wagener (Former St. Louis County Councilman), Pat Dolan (St. Louis County Council), Stacey Newman (State Representative), Cheryl Hibbeler (Former St. Charles County Council Representative), Deb Lavender (State Rep. Candidate), Kevin O'Malley (Fundraiser/Alternate Convention Delegate), Susan Meredith (State Rep. candidate), Susan Montee (Lt. Governor candidate), Bob Burns (State Rep. Candidate), Jim Karll (St. Charles County Democrats), Gloria Nickerson (Activist), Maureen Rogers-Bouxsein (Activist), Jo Ann Hughes (Activist)

RegalT62 October 18, 2012 at 08:27 PM
Elizabeth, my point was the role that control over childbearing has over women's economic development. In places where women have control over family planning decisions and access to contraceptives, those women have higher economic stability and earning power. Lower birth rates create better health for the mother and living children, better economic conditions and more independence for women. That is true in America as well - women know what they are capable of in terms of economically supporting children and are the best ones to dictate their childbearing rate and decision.
RegalT62 October 18, 2012 at 08:30 PM
Here is an interesting link: http://social.dol.gov/blog/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/ I admit to attributing the pay difference to women entering and leaving the work force to do family focused things - have children, caregiving to elderly family members, etc. but it appears that is not the case. Interesting read. Mitt's response was dated and out of touch - and very in line with his church's world view of the role of women in the world.
Americaphile Freedom October 18, 2012 at 08:44 PM
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Caffeinated October 18, 2012 at 08:54 PM
EXCELLENT!! THANK YOU!!! I WILL INSPECT CLOSELY THIS EVENING
RegalT62 October 18, 2012 at 09:14 PM
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